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Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

by The Rebel in

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so i was fooled by the witnesses.

what can i learn from that?

not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

The Rebel

Just a short post to thank you for your comment " Listener".

Like you and your husband i was also as a child totally in awe of the USA being able to accomplish the moon landing and broadcast it live from the moon.That's why I am pleased that one of the good things that has come indirectly from starting this thread, is that my child's class are going to debate the issue, as a school project. ( The class is made up of 9 & 10 year olds)

You asked if I have been swayed from my opinion? In answer I would say I have had to put my boxing gloves on a few times, and I have definitly lost a few rounds, but I think the thread has given validity on the discussion both for and against.

Although it's a topic for another thread, I totally agree " it was enlightning to see the public reactions to the claim that Iraq was hiding a large amount of weapons of mass destruction" . Everything thus takes us back to the question of " government" trying mastery over the minds of its citizens.

So to conclude FREE discussion, should never be mocked or ridiculed,. Which is why as I said earlier, I am delighted as a consequence of starting this thread and my boy of 10 mentioning the subject in class," Young citizens" are going to debate the subject as a school project.

The Rebel.

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let us have some poetry

by Sabin in

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there was a little girl who had a little curl right in the middle of her forehead and when she was good she was criticized anyway.

(elan golomb, ph.d., trapped in the mirror.

roses are red, violets are blue, i love sex, how about you.

The Rebel

Linda Cosgrove kissed me,

It nearly made me sick,

Oh what a beastly trick,

I was only six,

And would, have shown her the wart on my knee,

If she showed me the pimple on her behind,

But she refused,

So I told her she was " YUCKY"

And she went off in a huff.

579

Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

by The Rebel in

jw
friends

so i was fooled by the witnesses.

what can i learn from that?

not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

The Rebel

Thanks prologos.

As a painter I take pride in my artistic achievements, and I am sure governments and scientists take pride in there achievements. It is also the case with great " Art" much of it needs to be challenged and verified that it is authentic.And so it should be so with all things, they should be challenged and proven free of falsity.

Therefore :-would it be correct that one " objective" of bringing German scientists from Nazi Germany was to deny German expertise and scientific knowledge to the Soviet Union and United Kingdom?

Is it correct that to circumvent President Trumans anti- Nazi order false employment and political biographies were given the scientists?

The Rebel.

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Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

by The Rebel in

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so i was fooled by the witnesses.

what can i learn from that?

not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

The Rebel

Here I am letting what little credibility I have left be taken away.

My previous questions were raised, because in MY opinion, by employing ex NAZI scientists NASSA lost their ability to be trusted as an organisation of integrity, and therefore their reputation along with that of the U.S.A should be challenged on the moon landing, on motive such as political advantage and other points raised on the thread.

However I agree with freemindfade, and I also do not expect governments " to approach things from what I consider ethical" However I think that is a separate issue from my above point, and I am glad as citizens in a free land, we have the right to challenge.

I watched the" Fox Documentary" on you tube yesterday evening, and in MY opinion the programme was determined only to prove the man landing never happened. I did not find the film balanced at all. I wonder :-

a) what the motive for making the " documentary" was?

It certainly appears to have given the subject a high profile.

finally as I have said in previous posts some subjects cause way to much melodrama, However I would like to add debating can also be collective and educational, so I wonder what have we learnt from this thread? Or let me rephrase that question, so it's not so open to ridicule.:-

A) Has anyone learnt anything new on the subject from this thread.

B ) Has anyone had their opinion swayed from this thread.?

The Rebel.

579

Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

by The Rebel in

jw
friends

so i was fooled by the witnesses.

what can i learn from that?

not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

The Rebel

freemindfade:-

Thank you for bringing to my attention, the scientist Wernher Von Braun, being a former nazi and member of the S.S. I am going to conclude his past actions and sympathies were conveniently overlooked in order for NASSA to use his knowledge.

What is your personal opinion, do you agree with that stance?

What does that say to you about NASSA?

The Rebel.

579

Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

by The Rebel in

jw
friends

so i was fooled by the witnesses.

what can i learn from that?

not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

The Rebel

Thanks freemindfade that was an interesting link on " The Gulf of Tonkin"

May I ask YOU " freemindfade" do you think the Appollo programme distracted from Vietnam?

modern day " Oooh so that's why we were over there, and it wasn't an act of terrorism, and it wasn't for the oil"

The Rebel.

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Do video games cause bad behaviour in children?

by The Rebel in

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my boy is 10 and has got very interested in pocamon cards.

( a game way to complicated for me to understand) but i've also noticed it's linked to a computer game, which seems harmless enough but i also noticed advertisements for more violent games appear.. i would value people's opinion on whether, you think video games cause bad behaviour in kids.

i should mention my kid says i limit his time on these games, much more than other children's parents, and i was thinking of reevaluating that rule.. thanks.. the rebel..

The Rebel

Freesoul I agree totally.....that's why we are swimming in the lakes today.

The Rebel.

579

Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

by The Rebel in

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friends

so i was fooled by the witnesses.

what can i learn from that?

not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

The Rebel

Thanks Viv:-

A) I didn't mean to imply that NASSA developed nuclear weapons.

B) I agree spending money to explore and learn things about the world around us isn't wasting money. ( sorry if you felt that was the point I made)

C) I understand there is such a thing as a dumb question, I accept my mind on occasion works feebly, even badly. But even the uneducated are allowed to raise dumb questions on this forum. ( Unfortunately education was something many of us were denied as witnesses)

freemindfade:-

I think your point " to undertake monumentous things it ( often) takes ulterior motives of those holding the money and power " an interesting point. How relevant do you think that point is with the moon landing?

The Rebel.

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Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

by The Rebel in

jw
friends

so i was fooled by the witnesses.

what can i learn from that?

not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

The Rebel

Freemindfade:- " And another thing there seems to be an inclusive assumption that believing a conspiracy theory regardless of what it is = some sort of brain washing"

The Rebel :-agreed. I clearly stated in my O.P I was 50/50. Basically because I hadn't done any real research on the subject. That's why I bought the debate up to learn. Personally I think not questioning things and blindly accepting as fact what we are told is naive. Finally things are rarely black or white, and on few things can we be 100%. I imagine a wise a man who thinks critically and questions all things is probably only 80% right.

Anyway regardless of if man landed on the moon or not, as I said on another post personally I would rather the money had been spent feeding and clothing the poor of the world, which would have been paid for many times over if we didn't waste so much money on exploring outer space, nuclear weapons and defence.

Anyone agree/ disagree?

off topic being a new member on this site and browsing around I discovered a great thread by " Compound and Complex" it's the called " The Natural Beauty of My Neighbourhood" .It doesn't have as much melodrama as this thread, but I would reccomend it.

The Rebel.

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To those of us now FREE....

by The Rebel in

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on another thread i commented " the most wonderful thing for me about having left the organisation is giving an education to my child, encouraging him to be dedicated and committed to the person he himself wants to be".

for me that is the best thing about being free from the organisations control.. what has been your best realisation having left the organisation?.

the rebel..

The Rebel

It's been fun discovering their is so much unconditional love in " the world"

And in " the world" it's nice to be able to question and be answered.

The Rebel